English transcript translation of a broadcast from TV Berlin, hosted by Andreas Dorfmann
Dorfmann: Let’s begin with the big picture. Germany is facing immense pressure on multiple fronts—migration, economic stagnation, and a flailing energy policy. Which of these would you prioritize?
Hansel: All of them are interconnected. But if we look at the past weeks, migration clearly dominates. It’s not only a security and cultural issue but one that’s crippling our social system and budget. And yes, the energy disaster is directly tied to this: our economic competitiveness is collapsing under ideological policies.
Dorfmann: Let’s talk about the Bundestag moment last week. On Wednesday, the AfD supported a CDU-CSU initiative. That was a surprise. Selfies were flying around. Then came Thursday—a quiet dinner between CDU and Greens—and by Friday, it looked like the firewall was back up. What’s your take?
Hansel: Our interpretation is clear: the mask dropped. Friday showed the CDU’s internal chaos. They talk tough, but Merkel’s legacy still defines their core. The AfD exposed their contradictions. We were the only consistent force. The CDU plays state theater, but we stand for real change.
Dorfmann: Let’s dive into the energy policy. Nuclear, coal, solar—what’s your position?
Hansel: As the AfD’s energy policy spokesman in Berlin, I’ve said it for years: we need nuclear power. Wind and solar aren’t enough, and we’re burning more coal than ever in peak times. Even CDU figures admit that the nuclear phase-out was a mistake—yet in parliament, they vote the other way. This shows their unreliability.
Dorfmann: You’ve criticized the CDU as “continuing red-green policies” under the Governing Mayor of Berlin Wegner. Are we looking at a black-green future again?
Hansel: It looks that way. Wegner, Wüst, Günther—they are Merkel’s heirs. Their rhetoric may shift, but their policies stay left-liberal. The firewall against the AfD keeps them from acting in the national interest.
Dorfmann: Looking ahead: polls show the AfD with 22–25% nationally. In the East, you’re leading in several states. What does this mean for coalition building?
Hansel: We’re approaching a pivotal moment. If the CDU refuses cooperation, their options are dead ends. The firewall isolates them. We don’t need a formal coalition yet—toleration would be enough. But Mr. Merz has ruled that out. Still, public pressure is building. The CDU can’t sustain this contradiction forever.
Dorfmann: The CDU says, “A vote for the AfD is a wasted vote.” How do you counter that?
Hansel: Without the AfD, there would be no shift at all. We forced the debate on migration. We exposed the energy policy failure. And we’re the only party that can break the cartel from SPD to Greens to CDU. A vote for the AfD isn’t wasted—it’s the only effective vote for change.
Dorfmann: Let’s talk about young people. Recent videos showed young fans swarming AfD politicians for selfies. What’s going on there?
Hansel: They’ve grown up with us. For them, we’re normal. And they’re rebelling against a generation that destroyed economic opportunities with ideology. Climate hysteria has collapsed into pro-Hamas rallies. Kids want realism, and we offer that.
Dorfmann: On a personal note—you’re from the SPD originally, married to a man, live in Berlin’s Schöneberg. And yet, you’re attacked as a far-right figure.
Hansel: Yes, it’s absurd. My car was torched by left-wing extremists. I’m targeted for being in the “wrong” party. But we represent common sense. Migrants, too, support us because they see how illegal migration damages their image and their safety. The far-left no longer represents the working class or reason.
Dorfmann:
And what about the internal tensions within the AfD?
Hansel: We’re united on the program. That’s what matters. Media hysteria paints us as monsters, but if you read our policies, they’re reasonable and necessary. Migration control, energy realism, economic stability. That’s what unites us. We need to motivate the base, yes—but the real goal is to win over the disillusioned middle. Conservative voters feel betrayed by the CDU. We are their new home. And we must continue working to gain their trust.
Dorfmann: Some say the AfD is the new people’s party, replacing the SPD. Do you see that?
Hansel: Absolutely. The SPD lost its base when it called its own voters “pack.” We picked them up—working people, small business owners, families who can’t escape to Dubai or California. We speak for them.
Dorfmann: In Berlin, what influence does the AfD actually have?
Hansel: More than people think. Stop of mass migration, education, energy crisis —these are state matters. We fight for discipline in schools, for real standards. Wegner has done nothing. We are the opposition with real ideas.
Dorfmann: Mr. Hansel, thank you for the interview.
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